Going down the route of only plenny but what about vitamins ay?

Sup peeps

So, I don’t like cooking for myself and I end up not eating enough or eating unhealthy and as I have depression everyone now eating good and enough is a big step to a better life.

So I found plenny, and now I’m gonna try it out fully. So my idea is consuming two shakes, one bar, one hotpot a day 1600 calories. I’m hoping I’ll loose some weight at the same time is there any recommendation on how much you should consume and is the bars and hotpot as healthy as the drink?

Also researching a bit about the vitamins as I was worried I would over consume but that seems to not be an issue, in fact opposite in somewhat case? Read this article This guy ate Plenny Shake for 6 months and had his blood tested afterw – Jimmy Joy

And in that article it states the person had a low d vitamin count and too high B-Vitamin 12 but your nutriotnal team would look into that. How did the looking go? Do I need to take some extra d-vitamin and worry about the B?

Thanks for the help :blush:

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The vitamin discussion is nearly religious, just as the probiotic one is.
Unless you have a deficit, which most people eating a varied diet, does not have, there is no benefit from consuming supplement of vitamins.
Statistically, people are liable to vit-D deficiency due to, among other things, being out in the sun too little.
That’s why the only recommended daily vitamin supplement is vit-D.
The “problem” here is, that Plenny Shake is enriched by the “in-active” form of D-vitamin, which still requires hydrolization from sun-skin contact to become activated.
It is, however, possible to acquare activated D-vitamin in other supplements :slight_smile:
I hope all of this makes sense.

Kind regards
The GP

Thanks for sharing this @Cheeserider — I actually just signed up because I have exactly the same question as @Timtheoatman

So I’m using a calorie tracker (myfitnesspal) and noticed that when I rely on just JimmyJoy (2 bars, 1 shake, 1 pot) I have very little potassium, compared to recommended levels. So I was wondering if actually, it’s not vitamins but potassium that we should supplement the JimmyJoy diet. :slight_smile:

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There are numerous possible reasons for hypokalemia, @rembo.
Most frequent off the top of my head is low intake, so you could start by eating a few bananas a day (this guy isn’t wrong! www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdGai72Tt8Y) :smiley:

Aside from that hyperthyroidism, use of diuretics, excess intake of caffeine or insulin are some of the more common reasons, but since you already know your potassium levels, which is only obtained from blood samples, I’m assuming you’re already in some form of contact with your GP?

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@Timtheoatman
Hi Tim, I’ve read your post and I’m in a similar kind of situation. I dont’t eat for days at a time because I have no appetite, no kitchen to cook im, trouble getting groceries… all due to depression as you mentioned so honestly.

I was wondering how you are doing on an all JJ Food regime. The vitamins I should’ve worry too much about, which results you mentioned on the guys bloodwork who did 6 months of only JJ shakes. Too much B12 is not harmfull as far as I remember from looking into tables of how much is considered safe. Vitamine D you can supplement with 800 i.e. tablets or 75 mcg per day. Nearly everyone is vitamin D deprived. Or try to catch as much sunlight as possible because some people have malabsorption when it comes to vitamin D. Although it’s really hard to get out in the sun and heath when you feel depressed.

I have tried JJ food since 2014, on and off. Had some serious health issues (cardio vascular attack - brain damage) due to inflammations, and being medicated with all kind of bad prescription drugs for depression and pain (high doses of oxycodon for 7 years) and prednisone all at the same time.

So that totally ruined my life. I eat a couple times a week 1 meal with family and practically nothing else. Now I wanted to try to get myself on the Ready to Drink meals, starting with one a day and expanding that to 4 or 5. Unfortunately they only have 2 flavours. I’ve tried other brands which honestly tasted much better and had more variety but when I read the labels: unfortunately they weren’t suitable for TOTAL meal replacement.

I hope you’re doing well on the JJ meal replacement and would like to know how you experience that and if you’re still on it and if you feel an improvement on your physical health?

For your mental health a certain kind of fish oil can do wonders (even better and at least safer/healthier than prescription meds). I’ve read a lot of scientific studies on this subject.

I find this forum very difficult to use in comparison with other fora so I don’t know if I ever see a reply. I couldn’t start my own topic or question so that’s why I try to answer yours because I can relate to your situation.

Sorry for the bad grammar but I’m Dutch and at an age where you hardly had any English at school, especially when you drop out of school too early.

Ay… I really talk a lot, can’t help myself.

All the best and I hope to hear about your results/experiences

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Hi Petra

we appreciate very much your openness.

Indeed, there is evidence showing that the European population has suboptimal levels of vitamin D. This is why we overdose on it in our meals, evidence suggests that the activity of vitamin D in the form of cholecalciferol (D3) is greater, which is why we use the vegan D3 for our meals.
If you decide to supplement vitamin D, check how much you will be consuming. It is hard to reach a consumption that can bring side effects, but as you know the upper limit is 100mcg/day.

We have an article about mental health and nutrition, which can support a bit more the research you have done.

As I mentioned in your other post and just to keep it here on this topic as well, we are already working on new flavors for the Plenny Drink and we hope to give you good news soon! :smiley:

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Thank you for the link to topic mental health and food as I was curious how the the guy I was replying to was doing now but he hasn’t answered.

Indeed you can hardly go to high on vitamine D3. I just wanted to re-assure the person asking. He was afraid he would NOT get enough. But it’s hard to get it by food and supplements alone. Still malabsorption is a problem for some people. And you need other vitamins to absorb others.

I’m satisfied with what’s in JJ food. And some extra in tablets to make sure. My levels were always very very low. So I got supplemented by the general practioner. For a few years everbody got those from the doctor in 800 i.e. which is roughly 20 mcg?? It was cholecalciferol like you mentioned is used in JJ products.

Yet still an few years later I had such low vitamin D levels after consuming it in the products at the same time the doctors supplemented the general polupulation that a specialist in a hospital gave me a 8 week course with like 200.000 i.e. so that must be very high in mcg. One capsule weekly. That’s 4 times the recommended dose. Only thing that happened was massive side-effects. And they even didn’t follow up on the bloodlevels. So I still know nothing about my own malabsorption and the reason behind it. I was getting Plenny😉 at the time as in Plenny drinks as well as medically supplemented.

Everything in my body is out of wack. Maybe it’s due to brainstem injuries I suffered. Especially because they weren’t recognized at the times they happened. It leaves me with a lot of anger and grief for loss of who I was so that’s why I’m depressed.

Been depressed before but without the physical limitations and cognitive problems I have now.

Way back in time I used vitamine D in dosis but more importantly FISH OIL in a specific division between EPA/DHA against depression and there are a lot of studies on Pub.med to find on it.

As was mentioned in the article on the guy who did 1 year Plenny to replace all his meals: his vitamine D levels were “too high” at the end? I doubt that. Every labatory has its’ own values for what’s in the normal range. He could have been just out of that box but still but it does not really say much. If you need to be between 50 - 150 and say he had 165?? That’s not too high. A beach holiday near the equator can cause that or higher.

And the WHO??
They recommend different things every few years. And you cannot compare the whole world population. Their advice for Northern countries might still be on the low side.

People living in tropical areas have bloodlevels due to sun exposure equivalent as if you take 250 mcg a day studies showed. And the is a strong link to prevalence of auto-immune diseases compared to Northern Europe. Regardless if you are born there or living there. Some auto-immune diseases just hardly exist in these sunny area’s.

People who worry if something is too much or too little should really start investigating and take there own circomstances into consideration.

F.e.: Viamine C is harmless they say. And 4 grams a day (4000 mg) helps fine for women with UTI’s (when needed for some time). But they also tried this dose to prevent cancers. Well in a 10-year study this wasn’t so good for men who smoked… there was more lung cancer than in the lower dose or placebo group.

So: everything in moderation and hope you don’t get hit by a car, or get a brain injury ir heart attack out of the blue. Because that shit happens and then you go in a hyperfocus and rant on and on and on like I do and then spend 5 days in a dark room with no energy to comunicate.

And don’t think WHO is the wholey grail, neither are your local FDA or ECDC who approve medicins and such. They are not to be trusted. Scandals enough in the last decades to prove that.

Hey Petra!
All of the information from the WHO, FDA, and EFSA should be regarded as guidelines and general suggestions, but as you stated, these data must be evaluated for specific conditions.
These institutions make recommendations based on the most recent scientific research, which is constantly conducted by a number of laboratories. We now know far more about nutrition and food science than we did ten years ago, rendering some previous research conclusions obsolete.
It’s fantastic that you’re taking charge of your health and learning about your body’s requirements. We are happy to be able to support you in restoring your health :green_heart:

Hey,
just so everyone stays safe and healthy i want to note that if you use high doses of Vitamin D there can be side effects caused by high calcium levels (kidney stones, abdominal pain …).
You can keep calcium levels in check by also getting enough Vitamin K2 which helps to bind calcium to bones and has other benefits too.
If you have some JJ products on a daily basis it’s likely you get enough K2 but if you only have one and eat veggies the rest of the time you should consider supplementing K2 if you supplement high doses of D.

I don’t know much about Vitamin D effects on depression but i can imagine it will help by increasing testosterone levels and improving the immune system.
I started taking high doses of Vitamin D (combined with K2) in 2017 after reading a paper about increasing testosterone levels (up to 30%) with high doses of Vitamin D and did not encounter any problems so far and i feel better and think it affected muscle growth and sex drive for me but i had no blood tests before or something so it’s 100% subjective.